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ars_longa ([personal profile] ars_longa) wrote2006-09-13 01:24 pm
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Europe is soooo enlightened, sooooo much better than our opressive country!

Holland’s Justice Minister welcomes his new Islamic overlords: Minister Welcomes Sharia In Netherlands If Majority Wants It.

THE HAGUE, 13/09/06 - Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner considers the Netherlands should give Muslims more freedoms to behave according to their traditions. Muslims refusing to shake hands is fine with him. And Sharia law could be introduced in the Netherlands democratically, in the minister’s view.

Muslims have the right to experience their religion in ways that diverge from Dutch social codes, accordign to the Christian democrat (CDA) minister. He thinks Queen Beatrix was very wise not to insist on a Muslim leader shaking hands with her when she visited his mosque in The Hague earlier this year.

Integration Minister Verdonk did previously scold an imam who would not shake her hand. Without directly referring to this incident, Donner considers “a tone that I do not like has crept into the political debate. A tone of: ‘Thou shalt assimilate. Thou shalt adopt our values in public. Be reasonable, do it our way’. That is not my approach”.

Donner strongly disagrees with a recent plea by CDA parliamentary leader Maxime Verhagen for a ban on parties seeking to launch Sharia (Islamic law) in the Netherlands. “For me it is clear: if two-thirds of the Dutch population should want to introduce the Sharia tomorrow, then the possibility should exist,” according to Donner. “It would be a disgrace to say: ‘That is not allowed!’”



Am spitting mad. Will those people ever wake up?

[identity profile] ars-longa.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Вы об этом?


Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.


Если да, то что я могу сказать? Любой может использовать даже такую полезную и простую вещь как бельевая веревка для самоубийства. То же относится и к государствам.

[identity profile] dvv.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
So what are you so upset about?

[identity profile] ars-longa.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sad to see such countries as France or Netherlands ruined, that's all.

[identity profile] dvv.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been to both of them quite recently, and I haven't found them any more ruined than this country.

[identity profile] ars-longa.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people waxed rhapsodics about Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany, too.

[identity profile] dvv.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
And some didn't. What's your point? Or are you just following the good old Usenet tradition of throwing Hitler's name into the discussion every now and then?

[identity profile] ars-longa.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't realize we were having a discussion here. I have nothing to discuss in this matter.

[identity profile] dvv.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda hoped to find out why a justice minister's note about a democratic process was more upsetting to you than an article in the Constitution that states pretty much the same thing. Oh well…

[identity profile] ars-longa.livejournal.com 2006-09-13 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, that. I'm not upset about the process. I'm upset that such a possibility is even considered. You can call it another example to a whole 'voluntary slavery - yes or no' question.

[identity profile] dvv.livejournal.com 2006-09-14 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
What possibility? That constitutionally mandated majority might not have the same views as you do?